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Selasa, November 01, 2011

Angkatan Melayu-Siam mempertahankan kedaulatan wilayah Melayu-Kemboja?

Berikut adalah petikan daripada sessi soal jawab dalam prosiding seminar Manuskrip Melayu Campa 2004.

Soalan 5.
Mohon penjelasan lanjut berkenaan dengan linguistik Cham. (Kementerian Pelajaran)

Jawapan 5:
Menurut pembentang , dalam satu seminar yang berkaitan yang diadakan pada Jun lalu, ada pihak yang mencadangkan agar kajian linguistik ini dijalankan. Namun terdapat pula pihak yang tidak bersetuju dengan mengatakan bahawa kajian tersebut tidak perlu dilaksanakan sambil menyifatkan skop kajian itu sebagai 'sempit'.

Pembentang bagaimanapun menjelaskan bahawa bahasa yang digunakan dalam manuskrip tersebut terdiri daripada berbagai-bagai bahasa - bahasa Khmer, bahasa Melayu, termasuk juga bahasa Siam dan bahasa Vietnam memandangkan pada masa itu terdapat pengaruh bahasa asing yang meluas di Kemboja. Di timurnya Viet Nam manakala sebelah barat pula Siam.

Persaingan yang kuat antara kedua-dua kuasa ini menyebabkan Kemboja berada dalam dilemma.

Pada masa yang sama, istana Viet Nam mempunyai pengaruh yang sangat kuat ke istana Kemboja. Begitu juga proses 'meng-VietNamkan' Kemboja dikatakan pernah berlaku hingga menyebabkan mereka meminta bantuan Siam. Perkembangan ini menyaksikan banyak istilah Siam digunakan di Kemboja.

Menurut pembentang lagi, manuskrip ini dihasilkan oleh golongan cerdik pandai dan bukannya dikalangan rakyat biasa. Beliau turut bersetuju dengan cadangan mengkaji bidang linguistik Cham kerana berpendapat bahawa bahasa boleh menjadi suatu bidang kajian khusus yang sangat luas. Tambah beliau lagi, National University of Singapore sebelum ini pernah menjalankan kajian sejarah Champa dengan memberikan tumpuan kepada sejarah awal dan masyarakatnya. Dunia Melayu pula meliputi skop yang lebih luas dan sedang dikaji di Malaysia. Beliau meminta mereka yang berminat menunggu penerbitan buku hasil seminar Jun lepas untuk mengetahui hasil kajian lebih terperinci.

Sumber: Manuskrip Dalam Tulisan Cam Viet Nam di Kemboja, Prosiding Seminar Manuskrip Melayu Campa, Warisan Tamadun Melayu, ms59.

Komen TMP buat masa ini:
Pada masa yang sama, istana Viet Nam mempunyai pengaruh yang sangat kuat ke istana Kemboja. Begitu juga proses 'meng-VietNamkan' Kemboja dikatakan pernah berlaku hingga menyebabkan mereka meminta bantuan Siam. Perkembangan ini menyaksikan banyak istilah Siam digunakan di Kemboja.

Ini merupakan petunjuk yang kuat bahawa Siam dan Kemboja itu adalah bersaudara. Mereka ini adalah Islam dan Melayu yang kita kenali pada hari ini, iaitu cabang daripada Empayar Islam Benua Siam Kedah yang sengaja ditutup oleh pihak-pihak yang berkepentingan. 

Jika dikaji secara terperincinya bidang linguistik ini maka sudah tentunya akan terbongkar rahsia perbezaan bahasa Thai dengan bahasa Siam maka seterusnya akan terbongkar jugalah rahsia-rahsia penjajah dan sekutunya yang cuba menutup sejarah sebuah Empayar Melayu yang terhebat di Indo-China dan di Nusantara. 

Kita tidak hendak menutup fakta sebenar  bahawa apa yang berlaku ini sebenarnya adalah penjajahan agama dan bangsa - ini adalah realiti sejarah silam yang telah berlaku.

Kalau tidak percaya cuba cari:
Maksud Siam dalam bahasa Thai?
Maksud Siam dalam bahasa Cam?


18 comments:

  1. Saya minat isi kandongan blog ini - sejarah, Melayu Champa dll.

    Minat mahu komen tetapi sistem komen google a/c dan open ID saja tidak menggalakkan.

    Kalau boleh komen sebagai anon dan keluar secara otomatik, saya minat komen selalu. Cara itu membolehkan pengkomen menyemak apa yang ditulisnya selapas sahaja diterbitkan, dan tidak perlu tergesa menyemak sebelom menekan butang "Terbitkan". Jika tersilap, boleh dipinda serta merta dengan komen PS atau Pembetulan selapas itu sahaja.

    Saya minat mengembangkan pendapat berkenaan Keluarga Besar Melayu atau Rumpun Melayu berjumlah 350 juta didunia ini. Jika Pemunya blog minat dengan komen komen seperti berikut, sila hubungi saya diemail add yang keluar didashboard Sdr:

    "Read the Constitution for the definition of Malays in Malaysia. Habitually speaking the Malay language, practicing the Islamic religion, the Malay customs and traditions are the key factors. The Malays belong to the same Large Family of Malays or Rumpun Melayu as the Orang Aslis of the Peninsula and the Bumiputeras (natives) of Sabah and Sarawak.

    Read the books "The Malay Civilization" and "Tamadun Alam Melayu" published by the Historical Society of Malaysia, for a broader classification of the Malays, which include the Orang Aslis and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak. The books say that the Malays originated in the Malay Archipelago or Gugusan Pulau Pulau Melayu, to which Semenanjong Tanah Melayu, Sabah and Sarawak belong, over 7,000 years ago. They cultivated padi and had the rice-eating culture even before the mainland Chinese.

    The Malays have been in and out of the islands within the Archipelago, including the Malay Peninsula and the island of Borneo, and outwards to Madagascar, Australia, New Zealand, Indo-China, Taiwan, the Malayo Polynesian and Pacific Islands up to Hawai, earlier with their "perahu" fitted with outriggers, later in multi-tiered ships the size of the ancient Roman galleons. They had remarkable ship building and navigational skills which were noted in the historical records of China.

    The terms Proto-Malays (Orang Asli), Deutero Malays (the Constitutional Malays, Bumiputeras or natives of Sabah and Sarawak, Indonesians and others), Malayo-Polynesians and Austronesians refer to the same “Large Family of Malays” comprising some 350 million people. The classification was done scientifically by experts in the relevant fields, based on language, physical characteristics, blood analysis, DNA etc.

    Pendatang refers to those who were brought in by the British who they called "coolies" to work in the tin mines, rubber and pepper plantations and in railway construction beginning from the late 19th Century. And those others who came not as coolies.

    Of course the Bumiputeras (natives) of Sabah and Sarawak and the Orang Asli of the Peninsula have a right to acknowledge or not that they belong to the same Large Family of Malays or Rumpun Melayu. But it should be noted that differences in religion do not preclude them from being of the Rumpun Melayu stock.

    After all, the Muslim Malays were largely Hindu in religion or animistic before the advent of Islam in this region in the 13th Century.

    BalasPadam
  2. Terima Kasih Arjuna.

    Tetapi setelah dibuat pertimbangan buruk baik, maka banyak yang buruk daripada baiknya.

    Baik jika mahu mendapat hit oleh pengkomen, buruknya tiada kontrol mekanisme oleh administrator.

    TMP sesuai dengan cara yang ada sekarang.

    Jika anda minat komen maka seelok-eloknya difikirkan dulu komen baru di poskan..

    TMP yakin jika anda minat maka anda tentunya seorang yang penyabar dan blog hanya dilayari oleh segelintir pembaca yang paham cara TMP menulis dan melontarkan idea.

    Terima kasih kerana sudi memberi komen. Walaupun satu tapi ianya bernas, jangan sejuta tetapi hampas.

    wassalam.

    BalasPadam
  3. Saya minat mengembangkan pendapat berkenaan Keluarga Besar Melayu atau Rumpun Melayu berjumlah 350 juta didunia ini.

    TMP pun berminat nak dengar. Lebih elok kalau berjumpa.

    Set tempat email to themalaypress@yahoo dot com

    BalasPadam
  4. TK mengrespon. Saya hormati pendirian Sdr tentang cara mengendalikan blog Sdr.

    Dukacita tak dapat berjumpa. Saya hanya minat komen tanpa berkenalan - anon sebenarnya.

    Tapi saya mungkin boleh komen diatas nama arjuna lagi bila ada kelapangan.

    Dibawah ini satu lagi contoh komen berkenaan Keluarga Besar Melayu. Melayu Champa nyata satu dari nya. Saya pernah kePnom Penh dan Kampong Som. Melayu disitu mengeloh bahawa anak muda disana sudah tidak tahu lagi Bahasa Melayu.


    THE MALAY LANGUAGE FAMILY –

    From the book, "The Malay Civilization", published by the Historical Society of Malaysia:

    Various methods have been used to identify races, including languages, physical characteristics, blood types and DNA. These have been done over the centuries by experts in languages (linguists), the study of mankind (anthropologists), the study of ancient remains (archaeologists), and other scientists.

    The Malay Language Family spoken in the Malay Archipelago or Gugusan Pulau Pulau Melayu, and beyond, are spoken by about 350 million people. There are as many as 1,200 languages in the Malay (Austronesian) language family, making it the 2nd largest language family in the world. The Malay languages account for 22% of the languages of mankind.

    The dialects are more numerous still. The existence of so many dialects is one of the lively characteristics of the Malay civilization. Dialects share more than 80% basic vocabularies with one another thus making them more intelligible.

    The scientists have studied the languages of the Malay Archipelago since the time of the British Captain Cook's voyages to the Pacific Ocean. Since then the experts have listed out the number of Malay Languages in some of the areas where Malay is spoken, as follows:

    Malay Peninsula: 1 (+4 Aboriginal Malayan languages)
    Borneo: 153
    Phipippine Islands: 160
    Sulawesi: 114
    Sumatra Island: 22
    Java Island: 3
    Taiwan Island: 23
    Madagascar Island: 11

    Here are examples of the words that have basic similarities in Malay, Tagalog (Filipino), Fijian, Samoan, etc - see if the native language you speak have them:

    dua, empat, lima, enam, mata, jalan, pandan, nior. There are of course so many others.

    Of course it's up to you to accept or not whether you belong to the same Large Family of Malays or Rumpun Melayu based on the similarities in your native language, physical characteristics etc. But the research and studies explained in the book stated above have been carried out scientifically by scores of experts in the relevant fields since the 19th century, even earlier, as Captain Cook brought a scientist who studied the languages of the Polynesian islands.

    BalasPadam
  5. Alrite no sweat Arjuna.

    1. The scientists have studied the languages of the Malay Archipelago since the time of the British Captain Cook's voyages to the Pacific Ocean.

    >> ok.

    2. Malay Peninsula: 1 (+4 Aboriginal Malayan languages)
    Borneo: 153
    Phipippine Islands: 160
    Sulawesi: 114
    Sumatra Island: 22
    Java Island: 3
    Taiwan Island: 23
    Madagascar Island: 11

    >>ok they had left out Benua Siam - Champa, Kemboja, Siam, Burma.

    As Malaka Peninsula is not an island I would say that Malaka Peninsula is part of Indo-China.

    3. Here are examples of the words that have basic similarities in Malay, Tagalog (Filipino), Fijian, Samoan, etc - see if the native language you speak have them:

    dua, empat, lima, enam, mata, jalan, pandan, nior. There are of course so many others.

    Why there is no SATU? tell me where the SA come from...

    4. Of course it's up to you to accept or not whether you belong to the same Large Family of Malays or Rumpun Melayu based on the similarities in your native language, physical characteristics etc. But the research and studies explained in the book stated above have been carried out scientifically by scores of experts in the relevant fields since the 19th century, even earlier, as Captain Cook brought a scientist who studied the languages of the Polynesian islands.

    If I m not a Malay I would not say the British is Pendatang Haram.

    These are all obsolete studies of the past. :-)

    But I dont say it wrong but it is incomplete.

    BalasPadam
  6. Large Family of Malays or Rumpun Malayu to me should include Benua Siam.

    BalasPadam
  7. The above are short write-ups about what are written in the two books.

    Answers to the questions you raised are also in the book. It'll take time to write the answers even in summary form.

    In the meanwhile, should you be interested in the full details (explanations on scores of research and academic studies done by linguists, anthropologists, archaeologists, medical scientists, DNA specialists right to the 20th Century), you might like to purchase those books @ RM80-90 each either at the Muzium Negara or the Historical Society of Malaysia, the publishers of the book at their own building opposite the Institute Jantong Negara on Jalan Tun A Razak, KL.

    The Historical Society of Malaysia is not like any other historical society. It has existed since British colonial times. It was formed to provide an alternative vehicle for writing and expressing views on the history of this country which, prior to that, was done by British Colonial Service Officers in the Journal of the Malayan Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society, JMBRAS, which was founded and based in Singapore.

    It was formed in Kuala Lumpur by Officers of the elite Malayan Civil Service (now Malaysian Administrative and Foreign Service), both British expatriate and Malay Officers. The first President was Dato Sir Mahmud Bin Mat. Another noteable founder member was Tan Sri Mubin Sheppard, a British Colonial Officer who chose to remain in Malaya after independence, became a Malayan citizen and was responsible for the setting up of Muzium Negara.

    In recent times, its members include Professors and academicians specializing in history, anthropology, archaeology and related fields. Among them are Professor Emeritus Tan Sri Khoo Kay Kim (History), Professor Emeritus Mohd Taib Othman (Malay Studies), Professor Dato Zainal Abidin Wahid (History), Professor Dato Nik Hasan Shuhaimi (Archeology) and others. Professor Khoo had served on the Executive Committee for many years.

    The Historical Society has been run in a respectable and proper manner. Though not a profit-making concern, it has its own five-storey building on Jalan Tun Razak, opposite Institute Jantung Negara, KL. That in itself shows the kind of organization the society is. It has been a well respected organization for ages.

    BalasPadam
  8. Arjuna.

    I want to read your own understanding and reflection of the Malay history.

    What have you learned and gained so far after reading those books, browsing web blogs, commenting on blogs etc..

    Please make it short and simple.

    Are you a member of Malaysia Historical Society your self?

    How many time have you joined and get invited to participate in their programs?

    And you perhaps forgot to mention Dato Onn as founder member of MHS.

    BalasPadam
  9. Answers to the questions you raised are also in the book. It'll take time to write the answers even in summary form.

    no problem, take your time. Selagi ada hayat dipanjangkan umur, I am here waiting for your summary. :-)

    But before that, I need to know for how long have you been following TMP's on the adventure ride?

    BalasPadam
  10. TMP,

    Good to know your interest. I'm not a historian, not a member of THS, was never invited to attend their meetings officially, was invited by a Committee member to join THS, but didn't.

    I'm merely a messenger of what is conveyed in those books. Interested to see the Malays progress and their dignity not trampled upon by others, especially those who don't respect and adhere to the Constitution. Many appear so in the in the Opposition parties and the Opposition blogs.

    That the Large Family of Malays or Rumpun Melayu is 350 million strong and over 7,000 years old, had the rice eating culture even earlier than the mainland Chinese are in that direction.

    I tend to write long. Not intending to be curt but I must state that I'm not interested in those preferring short and simple statements.

    I have just come across TMP, saw your Champa Malays article and wanted to share a little what I read in those books. I have also copied comments written in other blogs that quote those books and pasted them elsewhere for others to read.

    Am prepared to write myself what interest me in those books but they'll be as long as the 2-3 comments I wrote above. If you find them too long or not simple enough, I'm afraid I can't do better and will cease writing here.

    Would appreciate if you'd tell me your readership - how many hits you have so far and your rough estimate of the number interested in the Champa Malays kind of articles. My frequency of writing comments, if acceptable here, may be based on those.

    Cheers for your travels and adventure.

    BalasPadam
  11. What makes you so interested in the Champa Malays?

    Iron Maiden makes new fans everyday but besides that they have their own followers that evolves and grows with them since the 70's.

    Some of them prefer the old kind of music but some of them prefer the new one with three guitarist.

    And I'm not sure if a person would listen to Iron Maiden just because the number fan they have.

    BalasPadam
  12. As far you know. How many had written about the Cham Malays accordingly NOT on the path of the so called Malay scholars or historian?

    BalasPadam
  13. That the Large Family of Malays or Rumpun Melayu is 350 million strong and over 7,000 years old, had the rice eating culture even earlier than the mainland Chinese are in that direction.

    This is interesting. You are trying to tell me something that I don't wanna touch at this very moment. Why, because I'm not sure if we are on the same wavelength and tune in to the same channel.

    key word - rice eating culture

    BalasPadam
  14. Yes, looks like we are not on the same wave length, friend.

    Thank you for allowing my comments thus far. I'll have to take my wares elsewhere.

    As a final bit of contribution towards readers' knowledge, here is a document that those interested in Champa Malays might want to read:

    The Proceedings of the Seminar on The Campa Malay Manuscript, Heritage of a Malay Civilization, 6-7 December 2004, published by Jabatan Muzium dan Antikuiti.

    Among the papers presented was one by Professor Madya Dr Danny Wong Tze Ken who spoke about the subjugation of the Malay race in Vietnam and Cambodia, the Vietnamization process, etc.

    Best wishes to you in your future undertakings. Not sure if I'll be back here as we are tuned to different wave lengths.

    BalasPadam
  15. Alahai merajuk dah.

    Yes you can take your wares elsewhere as if they really care. And I am gonna proceed with what I have started and not looking back. Nobody tells me to do so as it is purely based on my sense of responsibility toward the next generation of the Malays.

    The yellow book you mentioned above is in very informative. I've two copies in possession and one that I carried along during my travel to the 7 countries has become my witness of the subjugation you've mentioned above.

    Now it is proven that "That the Large Family of Malays or Rumpun Melayu is 350 million strong and over 7,000 years old" in reality is never that strong.

    BalasPadam
  16. Maybe one final comment, as a parting shot.

    Bukan merajuk, just that kita tak tuned to the same wave length.

    You even try to make a point about "350 million strong" (which is a manner of speaking) by saying "is never that strong" (which are strong words against the Malay race, which those books published by the Historical Society show has been great at various points and time in the 7,000 years).

    Look, old chap, I even thanked you for allowing my comments so far, said "Best wishes to you in your future undertakings" wanting to leave in a friendly manner in the previous comment, yet you responded by saying the merajuk thing and said "as if they really care".

    Indeed, we are on different wave lengths and now I feel a distaste in having visited your site.

    Learn to be decent in your comments, man, and you might find more visitors and some comments in your other posts.

    Over and out.

    BalasPadam
  17. Aha! Now you start talking man!

    Trust me. Comments in blog are sometimes misleading. I even asked you for a meeting in the first place because sooner or later I know it's gonna end this way.

    Actually, I'd answer your 2nd last line of comment earlier.

    Thanks for your time and thanks again for visiting.

    Wassalam.

    BalasPadam
  18. Opps! Yes you may find less comments here, but I've met almost all of them.

    BalasPadam

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